Friday, November 23, 2007

The taser deaths issue

Let's take a break from hockey for a minute. The whole issue of whether or not police officers should use taser guns because of recent deaths shortly following taser usage is front in center in Canada right now. I think this issue is worth a looking into. Call me a cynic, but I'm not biting on the whole sensationalized media angle on it. Sure, it looks cruel and no one wants to see people writhing in pain or possibly dying afterwards.
Check out this clip of a guy getting tasered in Utah:

Dude Tazed For Not Signing Ticket -

Now how does it make you feel after watching that? Angered?
I am going to be honest with you. In some ways I'm not a big lobbyist for human rights. I am a person who believes in the death penalty for example. When it comes to tasers being used on uncooperative and/or violent criminals or law breakers I am all for it, for the most part. Police need to have the option of immobilizing pain in the ass offenders. Taser guns not only protect the police, but make their job easier.
If you are going to be a jackass and get arrested for something you've done and refuse arrest you should get the zap. You deserve it. All you need to do is cooperate and the courts will take care of the rest if you think you're innocent. If you're guilty, then do your time or pay your fine.
I think it's fair that some of these over-sensitive taser-haters should put themselves in the shoes of a police officer rather than hop on the soapbox so quickly. Would you want to have to wrestle down an uncooperative, drunken, violent criminal for half an hour to get the cuffs on him/her? What if he is stronger than you? A good example of that is seen in this clip.
Tasers are better options than guns. At least now you have the option of not necessarily killing the dude or taking out his kneecaps with a gun.
The deaths in BC and Nova Scotia are being blamed on the tasering, but that has not been confirmed yet. I'm sure a few serious electrical shocks are not good for your ticker. So maybe another avenue may be required here, but something along the same lines and with the same immobilizing effect as the taser gun. A drugged dart perhaps? Certain people would probably die from that too somehow. There must be some other idea.
Until then, cops need to be respected and not confronted. They need to be able to safely and efficiently do their job. So when some idiot wants to cause problems during an arrest he is getting the electric shock he deserves. And if he happens to die from it afterwards....well, at this point I don't feel much remorse. One less idiot in the world I guess. Smart people cooperate when placed under arrest, because you just know that any verbal or physical retaliation against law enforcers isn't going to get you any further ahead. And it never will.
Now I've pissed you off right? Well maybe this will cheer you up.

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At November 23, 2007 at 10:33 a.m. , Anonymous Temujin said...

It's not so much the instrument, as it is: who wields it, and for what reason.

That poor guy getting tasered at Vancouver International Airport was a complete travesty.

There are also countless stories out there of people getting terrorized by thoughtless gung-ho cops and SWAT team wannabe "commandos". There is a helluva lot of reckless abuse of power going on, and whether that abuse is at gun-point or taser-point is a secondary concern.

That being said, I'd love to get my hands on a taser and try it out on someone...

At November 23, 2007 at 10:46 a.m. , Anonymous Temujin said...

I thought this was quite humourous too. A cop tasered herself by accident, mua ha ha ha ha.

At November 23, 2007 at 11:32 a.m. , Blogger Zanstorm said...

Seen the 2nd one. That guy in the airport was being violent and got what he deserved....I don't care if he was waiting 8 hours. The blame should fall on airport staff then. The idiot was throwing fucking chairs and computers around. A take down was necessary.

At November 23, 2007 at 11:36 a.m. , Blogger Zanstorm said...

And I don't agree with that article (your first link). Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with cops ABUSING their power like a hotshot cowboy, but I don't see that case in the Vancouver incident.
Don't be a sucker, Temujin. Taser guns or something like them are necessary! :) So the guy dies and it's caught on tape. So fucking what? Cops were doing their job and a tempermental idiot just happened to die during the routine arrest.

At November 23, 2007 at 11:53 a.m. , Blogger James said...

Most of the time I am totally with the police on that issue, but that video of the guy at YVR getting zapped was ridiculous. The taser shouldn't be their first option when confronting someone. That guy was just a bit of a pissed off spaz who looked like he would lose a slapfight with an 8 year old. However, it was probably less the taser that killed him, and more the officer jumping on the back of his neck with his knee.

Things the police do that is really bad with the taser include just shooting at unarmed folks instead of physically restraining them, or shooting them multiple times with the taser.

Being a cop would be a tough, tough job, no doubt about that. But they pretty much knew what was involved when they signed up, and they would have to occasionally get physical if the situation required it.

Tasers definitely are useful, however they should be treated with more respect than the police currently seem to use them with.

Personally I'd like to see the sticky foam used instead to incapacitate perps! ;)

At November 23, 2007 at 12:29 p.m. , Blogger Zanstorm said...

Good cops zap the guy, and warn him that if he doesn't cooperate he'll get zapped again.
I say screw physically restraining them. What if the dude has a knife and pulls it out? It's safer for the cops to immobilize the doofus from a distance.

At November 23, 2007 at 2:16 p.m. , Anonymous Temujin said...

Cops were doing their job and a tempermental idiot just happened to die during the routine arrest.

I didn't realize shit-kicking an unarmed man was a part of their job description. :-0
That particular situation should not have ended the way it did.

At November 23, 2007 at 3:01 p.m. , Blogger Zanstorm said...

What? The guy died after he was tasered, right? Shitty buzz for him. That's not the cops' fault!

At November 23, 2007 at 5:05 p.m. , Anonymous Marinus said...

In no way should a taser be used to subdue an unarmed individual. No if, ands, or buts. The police officers motto is to Serve and Protect. They are trained in hand to hand combat. There is no way they shouldnt be able to handle this situation without a taser. They have been doing it for years, why cant they continue to do without. It is just another means of police brutality in a less inhumane way. Unfortunately due to todays society there is less patience and less tolerance for one another. If the man was walking around the baggage claim in Vancouver for 8 hours why didnt anyone spot him or try to help. How many of you get pissed when someone drives under the speed limit infront of you? Now imagine you lost luggage and nobody offered to help and you didnt speak the language, what would you do? Secondly the video shown on this website, why didnt the cop just grab him? Remember they are trained in hand to hand combat. Was this guy really trying to run away? Would he leave his wife? Sure didnt seem that way. Why didnt the cop explain it clearly to the man? Why werent his rights read to him when asked to? Why did the cop bend the story when his collegue came to check on the situation? And really, was a taser warranted, or was the cop using brute force? Serve and Protect? Phff...What a hoax.

At November 23, 2007 at 9:28 p.m. , Anonymous Temujin said...

Billy Beck:

...we are cultivating exactly the very mentality that once herded human beings into cattle-cars without hearing the sounds of its own conscience

Police officers that involve themselves in things that are truly none of their concern really, really piss me off.

At November 23, 2007 at 10:07 p.m. , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was told to check out this post. I've been debating this issue for what seems like a hundred fucking years, and I'm pretty sure you and I are the only ones who aren't buying in to the bullshit, bleeding heart fuckover the media has indeed created.
How many cops have been blown away by fuckers who just seemed a bit 'pissed off'. And how many women have been raped and murdered by guys who just 'seemed so normal'? I know that's a bit off topic, but I was in the Vancouver airport a few days ago with a female friend who unfortunately has seen too much of the evil that hides in some of these 'normal men'. If I had seen this guy spazzing out and coming anywhere near my friend I would have pounded the fucking shit out of him without a second thought.
If cops have to worry that someone could be a danger to themselves or others they need to get the situation under control really fucking fast. I say zap the fucker. Why risk escalating him more with some 'hand to hand' combat? Fuck that bullshit.

On a side note, I now know what I want to do with my life. I want to be a 'hotshot cowboy'. Can you imagine the fucking crazy-cum-often sex a 'hotshot cowboy' would have? Fuck, sign me up!

Aaron Gagne
Did I mention I fucking hate hockey? Otherwise, great blog zanstorm.

At November 24, 2007 at 1:49 a.m. , Blogger Zanstorm said...

Aaron, me and you see eye-to-eye.

Marinus- perhaps in the Vancouver situation the taser was not necessary. But I completely disagree that tasers should not be used on unarmed individuals. If the shitbags don't want to be placed under arrest, then fuck it...zap them. Especially if it's one cop on the scene. Cops do society a great thing and need to be able to work safe as well.
Ah, a great debate.

At November 24, 2007 at 2:02 a.m. , Blogger Zanstorm said...

Oh by the way, the Polish guy in the airport wasn't unarmed. He had a stapler in his hand.

At November 24, 2007 at 7:07 p.m. , Anonymous Temujin said...

Wow. A Stapler.

That could like, pierce the skin or something.


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